People who are up-in-arms about continuity also need to remember that the show only bothers with it when it's convenient. But it all seemed to be things that could organically arise from the place we’d come to love. Metacritic TV Episode Reviews, The Principal and The Pauper, The big surprise at the party honoring Seymour Skinner's 20 years as principal is that the real Seymour Skinner shows up. Fuck you, Armin Tamzarian. ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l, Toonami - the after-school show that defined an anime generation. The episode was the last one of the show written by Ken Keeler. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. For non-UK readers, this was like getting cable, HBO, the whole shebang in one go. 105 Views. It aired in the United States on September 28th, 1997 with Martin Sheen guest starring as Sgt. Which modern Kidcoms are worse, Nick or Disney? For non-UK readers, this was like getting cable, HBO, the whole shebang in one go. The 90s show was way worse, and yes there are worse ones. There's so much that has happened on the Simpsons that have never seen. Lisa then calls him by Armin and Skinner walks off. Seriously if they were Halloween specials would that them better with you guys? I remember Maude getting killed, Selma or Patty getting married in a gay wedding, and then I don't know anything after that. The Principal and the Pauper has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria.If you can improve it further, please do so. It was both a mirror of our own society, and a place unto itself. But one thing that seems to be something of a spoken agreement by a large number of Simpsons fans, is that the first big crack in the armor with the show manifested itself in the Season 9 episode, The Principal and the Pauper. I like The Principal and the Pauper. He really made the best with what he had to work with and it shows. 90s show. And that is the episode’s problem, and one of the massive issues with the Simpsons ever since. Skinner’s Vietnam flashbacks could still be true, but he seems a markedly different character to the straightlaced one who sees JOHNNY JOHNNNNY being shot up on the Apocalypse Now boat. In episode after episode, the depth and beauty of Springfield continued to reveal itself. Classic Episode. Ever. The Principal and the Pauper There has been only one (canon) instance of Skinner's real name spoken of after this episode. The episode controversially revealed that Skinner is an impostor named Armin Tamzarian who stole a Vietnam veteran’s identity. Yes, there were antics that could only happen in cartoons - a deluge of acid (”the goggles do nothing!”), an elephant stampeding through the town, Homer becoming a bloody astronaut. It's "The Principal and the Pauper". With Dan Castellaneta, Julie Kavner, Nancy Cartwright, Yeardley Smith. Directed by Steven Dean Moore. The episode is messed up with how they treat him. I'm pretty sure the 90s show was the last episode of the Simpsons I watched. Skinner, in the Principal and the Pauper, is a chancer. It also doesn't help that the 90's aren't as easily mockable a decade as the 70s or 80s. In the aforementioned episode "I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot", Lisa renames her 5th cat Snowball II to save money on stuff and Skinner walks by and said "Isn't that a cheat?" Deep down, despite his bursts of cynicism (”come on Edna, we both know these children have no future!”) there’s the sense he cares for the kids, for the school and for his job. At his 20th anniversary celebration as school principal, Principal Skinner is discovered to be an imposter of the real Seymour Skinner. There's so much that has happened on the Simpsons that have never seen. Not Crabapple, not Crab Apple, and certainly not Crandall! Cheap jokes have replaced deep jokes. This one was almost a tie between ‘The Principal And The Pauper’ and ‘All Singing All Dancing’ and the reason I didn’t pick the latter which I really am not fond of due to it being another throwback, is because I have already chosen a similar episode in ‘Another Simpsons Clip Show’. Lady Goes Gaga is just a cringe-worthy awful nightmare. ... (The Principal and the Pauper, anyone?) I have read the writers defend this story, but this has always struck me as a moment when they realized they were in too deep, and were trying to dig themselves out of the character shaped hole they’d found themselves in. Ok, just our tenth episode…ery. Except without any funny material. I love modern Simpsons. Lemon of Troy. In depth information about The Principal And The Pauper, produced by Gracie Films. JavaScript is disabled. I like them both - but I also enjoy modern Simpsons, so I'm weird. Share. It was just really lame and boring. Homer the Heretic. By AdrenalineRush1996 Watch. Seymour Skinner isn’t Seymour Skinner. Referensi Daftar pustaka. So by the time Season 9 began, you could tell that things were disintegrating. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I thought both were good episodes. Principal the Pauper is the better episode though. It created a universe beyond the immediate Simpsons family of individuals who were hilarious, and who often slipped into intended caricature, but who also felt somewhat real. Pretty much every episode after Season 13 is far worse than both of these eps. Sky would show about 2-3 hours of The Simpsons every goddamn night. "The Principal and the Pauper" was the last episode of The Simpsons written by Ken Keeler, who also pitched the original idea for the episode. Mad Men, of course, spent several years examining “Don Draper.” They may trace back to the famous Martin Guerre case of sixteenth century France. ). Either that, or they simply had near total contempt for the fans who’d been following the show for years, hoping they would somehow laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of it all. “Oh Skinner, yeah, let’s fuck him, it’ll be hilarious.” Instead, it was confusing, and not, crime upon crime, even very funny. The show’s lovingly built individuals were reduced to mere conduits of that week’s designated zaniness. By Season 9, there had been 100s of episodes of the Simpsons. Sure, there have been good, perhaps even great episodes of the Simpsons in the zillion seasons since it aired. Principal and the Pauper may be hated for its awful plot but at least there were some funny jokes. Are you also bothered that no one has aged in 30 years? Episode tersebut awalnya disiarkan dalam saluran Fox di Amerika Serikat pada 28 September 1997. Don't know why it gets so much flak. The episode, of course, has its jokes. There would also be new episodes each Sunday. It's the only episode of the Simpsons that I can say is really really bad. But, for the worst episode, they chose "Bart to the Future" Truth be told, I actually didn't mind this episode. Comment. Stereotypical jokes against New Yorkers so broad that they could be from any old comedy show. Principal and the Pauper was a funny episode. But you can start to see the bad decisions stacking up. Seymour Skinner. Many fans believe the episode is based on the story of Martin Guerre or the 1993 film Sommersby. I'm going to be controversial and say that I like the Principal and the Pauper episode, and I think that season 9 as a whole was very good. I watched whole chunks of seasons 4, 5 and 6 in one go. According to animation director Steve Moore, one of the working titles for the episode was "Skinnersby". The Principal and the Pauper: Worst Episode Ever. Hell, in Season 9 alone you have The Cartridge Family. Many turning points have been pushed forward, most prominently the season nine episode ‘The Principal and the Pauper’. It's KRABAPPEL, dammit! Yeah The Principal and the Pauper was the start of the decline of the Simpsons, but Lisa Goes Gaga is the worst Simpsons episode of all time. No? But it just didn’t feel right in the Simpsons. ... Do you love The Principal And The Pauper, or do you think it is the worst cartoon ever? Reply. http://www.weepodcast.com/WEE review S09E02 - The Principal and the PauperOur 10th anniversary episode! And that is not what I’m trying to say here. The Principal And The Pauper (1997) Season 9 Episode 4F23- The Simpsons Cartoon ... Have we made any mistakes... or do you ahve any additional information about The Principal And The Pauper? It would also seem to invalidate the entire POW storyline, and his maddening quest to find the Vietnamese stew made with ‘four kinds of rice’. Frank Grimes. And one of the main reasons I … Season 9: The Principal And The Pauper. Yes, he may arbitrary, and is slowly being crushed by the system, and specifically Supernintendo Chalmers, but there is a goodness, and, dare I say it, an authenticity to the character. Worst. Such a very terrible episode to retcon Principal Skinner's backstory. Ensemble Dark Horse: Martin Sheen's performance as the real Seymour Skinner was easily the best-received part of the episode. “Reposted SNPP comments” have become a longstanding joke in the comments section of the AV club’s reviews of classic Simpsons. Plus I like "The Principle and the Pauper" more because it reminds me of Mad Men. So an unprecedented move was made - to blow up a relatively central character in the show, then pretend it never happened. I still think Principal and the Pauper is a good, and interesting episode, but like Seinfeld's Season 9, this is the prime example of why The Simpsons should have ended at Season 9, since, I believe they reached the limits of character development from people like Skinner. Honestly, the story line for "The Principal and the Pauper" feels like it could have been a modern episode. But I hate that 90's show. By the time the satellite dish was installed in our house, we were into Season 8, and I could tell that something was a little off. so the best years will be defined as the episodes between Season 2 to Season 8. Duffman replacing, well, any character voiced by Phil Hartman. The Principal And The Pauper (1997) Season 9 Episode 4F23- The Simpsons Cartoon Episode Guide by Dave Koch. I remember Maude getting killed, Selma or Patty getting married in a gay wedding, and then I don't know anything after that. (Since Jimmy Carter, of course. There is way worse than those two but if I had to pick it would be the principal and pauper one. Turner, Chris (2004). Shame they managed to waste a guest spot from Martin Sheen on this episode. The Simpsons doesn’t owe me anything. He’s a punk kid from Capitol City who stole the identity of his Sergeant during the Vietnam war. I think that the major decline started in season 10 rather than in season 9. Most of the complaints I've seen so far about "The Principal and the Pauper" could also be leveled against many other Golden Age episodes; I'm trying to figure out why those episodes are well-loved while "The Principal and the Pauper" is so reviled. I recall at least a couple episodes where Bart had a "first" kiss, for one example. That 90's Show has a dumb plot, and I don't remember laughing at the episode once. That's the worst Simpsons episode ever. This is actually a somewhat common storytelling trope. Beyond the ret-con of Skinner’s experience in Vietnam, it just doesn’t fit with the man we’ve seen in the show to that point. My least favorite episode for sure. Cartoon Comments: Do you love The Principal And The Pauper, or do you think it is the worst cartoon ever? The worst episode of The Simpsons IMO. Paauper is not a bad episode, it is funny. However, Keeler has said he was inspired by the Tichborne Case of nineteenth-century England. The other is not. Principal and the Pauper was only considered bad in terms of golden era standards; it's better than most episodes post season 10. they were both good episodes but the 90s show was a dumber thing to do in terms of show continuity. That 90's show was absolute trash and unfunny...like most modern Simpsons episodes. Where once was a show that had found a magical niche between satire, absurdity, and heart, outright wackiness began to take hold. p&p and city of new york vs homer are some of the better episodes of season 9. Principal and the Pauper is a fine episode with a heartless gimmick attached. 90s show is pathetic. Maybe it was when Lisa fell for Nelson. Skinner episode has its moments, the 90's show is just shite. It almost feels like a parody of huge character reveals on TV dramas, whereas the 90's one was just a worse take on the flashback episode concept - which they'd done better in the past. Charlie Sweatpants: I had not seen this one in many years, maybe a decade or more, and I was hoping that there was some redeeming value to … That 90's Show is the worst of the two, putting canon "issues" aside, because it's so painfully boring. The Principal and the Pauper is still a funny episode, despite the plot. Especially with The Principal and the Pauper out there. But the Principal and the Pauper was a moment which destroyed a bond of trust between the show and its fans; a rubicon moment after which the show was never the same. It’s a cheap, cheap joke - the authority figure Bart loves to hate was actually just like Bart himself. Crabapple died, right? Esoteric Happy Ending: An innocent man is expelled from his hometown just because he has an impostor. These fans were skewered hilariously in the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie show - “I feel the show owes me,” etc. The Principal and the Pauper (Season 9) I think everyone much agrees this episode deserves to be on everyone's worst list, regardless which position it … Though if it was a modern episode, there would have been more pop culture references and the real Seymour would have been played a random celebrity (like George Clooney). It's always horrible. Even current “zombie simpsons” epsides have great one-liners. In the second one, the town didn't 'just forget' about him. The last two Simpsons episodes have been really good, Star Trek : The Original Series (re-watch it or see it for the first time! ANd if I had to rank it, it would definitely NOT be in my bottom 25 list. Tweet. Principal and the Pauper, while the retcon decimated a lot of good will towards the character still had some killer jokes and that 'good' Simpsons vibe. Today’s episode is 902 “The Principal and the Pauper”. The Principal and the Pauper. The Principal and the Pauper ” Sam H says: February 24, 2012 at 2:04 pm. Why do people care about Simpsons continuity? And the first major casualty was poor Seymour Skinner. When Principal Skinner’s voice actor Harry Shearer read the script for “The Principal and the Pauper,” he objected to it. And the real Seymour Skinner too. Keeler used the name Armin Tamzarian from a claims adjuster who … ), The Principal and the Pauper: Worst Episode Ever. 0. This is what made the Simpsons so spectacular in its golden age - it had an almost endless bench of incredible characters. When Mr Burns didn’t destroy his idiotic son played by Rodney Dangerfield or seemed, even worse, like a befuddled old man when he lost his fortune. Principal and the Pauper was not only the most ridiculous plot yet, the humor and writing was very subpar for its time. Add to Favourites. You’re history’s greatest monster. (Why does it have to be zany?). ... (any time his past is brought up I immediately think of this episode again). I wouldn’t call it the worst episode, but it’s pretty bad in my opinion. And then came the tipping point: the Principal and the Pauper. I don't know why they would pick it as the worst episode. The jaded bartender; the town drunk; the workaholic shopkeeper; the spinster sisters; the corrupt town mayor. A bunch of smiles, but no bellylaughs. I always thought Principal & the Pauper was fun in a really dumb way, especially since later episodes in the series kind of mock it. That is the only real explanation I can think of for what really changed after season 9. Probably one of the most exciting moments of my childhood was when my parents finally got us Sky TV. Quite the opposite. But we are asked in this episode to disregard everything we knew about a character we’d been asked to care about up to that point. Principal and the Pauper has a dumb twist, but genuinely has funny moments. It’s understandable that fatigue was setting in, despite rotations of the show’s writers and producers. In this, the real Skinner is driven out of town, and the judge decrees that no-one will ever talk of it again. Yes this episode isn't so great, but the episode that's worse then that one is the one where Lisa Simpson meets Lady Gaga. The first episode of that season, The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson, certainly has its moments. Yesterday was 918 “This Little Wiggy”. If people think those episodes are funny while "The Principal and the Pauper" isn't, that's fine. And didn't someone else? 0 Favourites. Not only that, a law is made ensuring said impostor remains an impostor for the rest of his life. The Principal and the Pauper was a bad episode from the shows best seasons which still makes it better then most episodes. The 90s episode, ignoring any crap about continuity and such, is trash. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Fans complaining about the demise of the show were hardly new by Season 9. 5 Comments. Probably one of the most exciting moments of my childhood was when my parents finally got us Sky TV. The previous episode was a highly acclaimed episode, and that episode was considered as the best episode of Season 9. And one of the main reasons I was so excited was simple: The Simpsons. The episode's official title is a reference to the book The Prince and the Pau… Oh, a … And then, to put it bluntly, the writers stopped caring about the characters as much as the fans did. I've said it a million times but the Principal and the Pauper is the best worst episode of the series. “This is by far the worst episode. That's not a coincidence. But it would have been nice if the show had kept being the best comedy ever made, and the Principal and the Pauper helps explain why it isn’t any more. Rosebud. The pair had already written the season five episode "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song", which was an in-depth study of the character. Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein with Mike Scully were very excited about the episode because Principal Skinner was their favorite character. Download Cartoon Now Online. It was all here, it was glorious, and I was seeing it for the first time. You should listen to Worst Episode Ever Podcast, so far they've reviewed 46 of the post classic era episodes and "That 90's Show" is 22 while "The Principle and the Pauper" is 43 ( with 1 being the worst ranking.) The Principal and the Pauper is the second episode of Season 9 of The Simpsons (actually a leftover episode from Season 8). "The Principal and the Pauper" adalah episode kedua dari musim kesembilan The Simpsons. The Kwik-E-Mart scene comes to mind in particular as pretty forced humor. The judge ordered the entire town that no one ever mentions it again, which is a unique take on fixing something that happens on a show that would screw up future episodes. P&P is a funny episode at least. Any show where they spend a lot of the time singing. If so, we would love to hear from you. Not only the worst episode ever … Principal and the Pauper isn't that bad, though I guess it was probably the worst ep up to that point. Anyway, "The Principal and the Pauper", "Miracle on Evergreen Terrace", and "Lisa the Simpson" are the worst episodes of Season 9. As shown in the Sweet Seymour Skinner’s Badaaasss Song, or even at the end of the The Boy Who Knew Too Much, he’s essentially a boring, sweet man. Yeah it's worse. Oct 12, 2018 1 min read. Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is … It wouldn't be in the top either. The final slap in the face is the episode’s ending sequence. the principal and the pauper at least had funny moments. In a return visit, Bob Mackey joined us this week. Or when Grimey turned up - a classic episode that, in some respects, heralded the end of the lovably stupid Homer and began his descent into (*shudder*) zaniness. You are using an out of date browser. For me had to be The Principal and the Pauper, not only is it the worst episode ever, it completely jumped the shark, & beginning of the end of the golden era Simpsons, this is the episode where Principal Skinner is unmasked as a fraud, who's real name is Armin Tamzarian . That 90s show had one good joke the entire episode; the diabetes one. The show became dumb because it was stripped of its emotional depth. Town did n't 'just forget ' about him of nineteenth-century England n't, 's... 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